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Monday, December 20, 2004
Renegotiating Deals
OK, I had a heck of a time finding this is I am posting Gary's question, then I will comment with my answer. Yes, I do talk to myself and as you will I see sometimes I answer too:
Ok...i have a right of passage with the ottomans and it has expired BUT it still shows up on the treaties with showing no turns remaing. It has been like that for at least two turns. I have landed a ton of troops in their territory and I am waiting until they want to end the agreement that end a while ago, so I can smoke them out....Now, how can I get them to end the treaty or somehow attack me without taking a hit on my reputation?
- posted by Proc @ 7:58 PM
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There are 2 ways to deal with this:
1) In your preference, you can turn on "Always renegotiate deals". Now, the downside to this is you will ALWAYS renegotiate and sometimes the AI will not renew the deal for 20 turns, but would have let it go for another few turns without carrying. It comes to the fact that the AI doesn't have to commit anything to you for 20 turns. The other bad part is that you will "renew" peace with the AI every 20 turns. This is one of those deals that you really like to let expire queitly.
2) The second way is on the trading screen (this is the screen where you will offer Techs, luxuries and gold to 1 specific AI) at the middle of the bottom, you will see the words "New" and "Active". By default you are looking at a "New" deal. Click on Active. You will now see the Active deals you have with that AI. Click on the one you want to renegotiate (or end). Once it is selected, you can just cancel it, by not agreeing to it or you can adjust it (ask for more money, etc.)
This is one of those things that I knew was there, but never found and never really spent the time to find, mainly because I did not care about my reputation in the game. But there you. My big problem was finding where to do this.
1) In your preference, you can turn on "Always renegotiate deals". Now, the downside to this is you will ALWAYS renegotiate and sometimes the AI will not renew the deal for 20 turns, but would have let it go for another few turns without carrying. It comes to the fact that the AI doesn't have to commit anything to you for 20 turns. The other bad part is that you will "renew" peace with the AI every 20 turns. This is one of those deals that you really like to let expire queitly.
2) The second way is on the trading screen (this is the screen where you will offer Techs, luxuries and gold to 1 specific AI) at the middle of the bottom, you will see the words "New" and "Active". By default you are looking at a "New" deal. Click on Active. You will now see the Active deals you have with that AI. Click on the one you want to renegotiate (or end). Once it is selected, you can just cancel it, by not agreeing to it or you can adjust it (ask for more money, etc.)
This is one of those things that I knew was there, but never found and never really spent the time to find, mainly because I did not care about my reputation in the game. But there you. My big problem was finding where to do this.
If you break deals doesnt that mean other civs really do not want to make deals ie right of passage, mutual protection? I have experienced things like the russians saying something like not being able to trust for what do did to the arabs....
But you are not "breaking" the deal. If you go to the active deals, it will not let you cancel a deal that has not reached 20 turns. Once the deal hit the 20 turns you can let it continue or renegotiate. Sometimes the AI will want to renegotiate. This is not the same as breaking the deal, which would occur if you let the deal reach 20 turns, did not cancel it and then attacked the other Civ. There is a difference. Try it out and you will see.
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